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Sorry if I'm being a bit slow madam " S ", but which article are you referring to. The one about son Real or the following one re his predictions for 2018?
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Sorry if I'm being a bit slow madam " S ", but which article are you referring to. The one about son Real or the following one re his predictions for 2018?
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Sorry if I'm being a bit slow madam " S ", but which article are you referring to. The one about son Real or the following one re his predictions for 2018?
The clue is in the date sir
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"Twisted Knickers: Rentals And Tourist Tax"
More interesting reading from Andrew, here :- alcudiapollensa
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More interesting reading from Andrew, here :- alcudiapollensa
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More interesting reading from Andrew, here :- alcudiapollensa
Good read indeed, however I find the previous post about locals protesting over too many tourist astonishing. Wake up call ! your island is what it is today because of it.
Just goes to show people will never be happy. I don't remember anyone complaining in the days where they upgraded their black and cream Peugeot taxis to luxury Mercs, or the locals as they dumped their old Citroen 2 CVs and other rust buckets for new cars.
Now they complain about too many folk spending their copious amounts of cash on the island.
They really do need to be careful about what they wish for.
A prophecy I believe the Arabs have about their great grandfathers who rode Camels compared to todays mode of transport because of the oil and ultimately back to how they started on Camels once the oil had gone.
Lets hope the good people of Mallorca don't experience a similar fate metaphorically speaking re tourism.
People of Mallorca Do not bite the hand that feeds you.
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I've had a number of conversations with locals recently and their views are worth listening to.
They're not stupid. They realise that the Island depend on tourists. But they think a tipping point is being reached.
Mallorca is an Island. It has finite resources and a finite geography. They are concerned about the environment, about pollution, about water resources, about traffic and about energy.
Take the example of someone locally who works in (and therefore depends upon) the tourist industry. He lives in a block of 14 apartments near to the Port. There are 4 local residents and the rest are owned by English people. The apartments sleep 4 and often have up to 8 people staying (sometimes more). The owners have British mortgages and pay interest in Britain. The apartments are rented without licences so no income is accruing to the local authorities. The tenants buy booze at the supermarkets, they buy food and self-cater. Once they've drunk a load they'll go and sit on the beach. According to the owner they provide very little to the local economy.
Of course there are others who do not cram huge numbers into their apartments, who do frequent local restaurants and who do contribute to the economy.
But the view seems to be that if the current situation goes on unchecked, the conditions on the Island will become intolerable - for everyone.
So whilst the recent legislation is unpopular for us tourists in the short term, there's a local view that it will be better for everyone in the longer term.
The Island will be zoned. Common sense will prevail and no doubt some apartment rental will be allowed (and encouraged) in some areas. No doubt Pollensa will be one of those areas because it makes absolute sense that it should be.
Communities which want to rent will vote and be able to so. Communites which don't want to rent will choose not to. Developments which have been built solely and obviously for touristic purposes will no doubt be granted licences.
But it can't happen overnight. Hence the need for a moratorium.
Naturally there will be uncertainty for a year. But it's the Mallorcans' island, not ours. And we should respect the authorities for trying to plan for a sustainable future.
That's just my view. But it's an honestly held one.
They're not stupid. They realise that the Island depend on tourists. But they think a tipping point is being reached.
Mallorca is an Island. It has finite resources and a finite geography. They are concerned about the environment, about pollution, about water resources, about traffic and about energy.
Take the example of someone locally who works in (and therefore depends upon) the tourist industry. He lives in a block of 14 apartments near to the Port. There are 4 local residents and the rest are owned by English people. The apartments sleep 4 and often have up to 8 people staying (sometimes more). The owners have British mortgages and pay interest in Britain. The apartments are rented without licences so no income is accruing to the local authorities. The tenants buy booze at the supermarkets, they buy food and self-cater. Once they've drunk a load they'll go and sit on the beach. According to the owner they provide very little to the local economy.
Of course there are others who do not cram huge numbers into their apartments, who do frequent local restaurants and who do contribute to the economy.
But the view seems to be that if the current situation goes on unchecked, the conditions on the Island will become intolerable - for everyone.
So whilst the recent legislation is unpopular for us tourists in the short term, there's a local view that it will be better for everyone in the longer term.
The Island will be zoned. Common sense will prevail and no doubt some apartment rental will be allowed (and encouraged) in some areas. No doubt Pollensa will be one of those areas because it makes absolute sense that it should be.
Communities which want to rent will vote and be able to so. Communites which don't want to rent will choose not to. Developments which have been built solely and obviously for touristic purposes will no doubt be granted licences.
But it can't happen overnight. Hence the need for a moratorium.
Naturally there will be uncertainty for a year. But it's the Mallorcans' island, not ours. And we should respect the authorities for trying to plan for a sustainable future.
That's just my view. But it's an honestly held one.
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Althought a lot of what you are saying is correct, the problem is that it will not be a year until this is resolved, it will be a year until people can start to apply for a licence, it could then take another year before many licences are issued, during that time a great deal of damage will have been caused to the local economy, even worse from my point of view as I have never rented if less tourists are coming then the airlines will put on fewer flights making it difficult from everyone to get to Majorca.
This could be avoided if they had said they would review the situation during the next year, then start to issue licences during the second year after which they could impose penalties if people had not complied with the new law.
To implement it as they are will harm Majorca much more then they seem to appreciate.
This could be avoided if they had said they would review the situation during the next year, then start to issue licences during the second year after which they could impose penalties if people had not complied with the new law.
To implement it as they are will harm Majorca much more then they seem to appreciate.
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Graham:
"Naturally there will be uncertainty for a year. But it's the Mallorcans' island, not ours. And we should respect the authorities for trying to plan for a sustainable future."
We are well aware it is not our Island, just one that we love to visit.....and I am a great believer that locals should always come first. While we, the holidaymaker have the choice to visit many other beautiful places for our two weeks vacation, my concern is the locals,that you may not have spoken to as yet, are deeply concerned about their future employment within the tourist sector. Thousands of people will not be able to visit in 2018 for obvious reasons and this will, without doubt, have a detrimental effect on jobs. I have read that local folk are having sleepless nights over this.
I agree with every word of PP76. The authorities have certainly went about this without thinking about the full implications.
"Naturally there will be uncertainty for a year. But it's the Mallorcans' island, not ours. And we should respect the authorities for trying to plan for a sustainable future."
We are well aware it is not our Island, just one that we love to visit.....and I am a great believer that locals should always come first. While we, the holidaymaker have the choice to visit many other beautiful places for our two weeks vacation, my concern is the locals,that you may not have spoken to as yet, are deeply concerned about their future employment within the tourist sector. Thousands of people will not be able to visit in 2018 for obvious reasons and this will, without doubt, have a detrimental effect on jobs. I have read that local folk are having sleepless nights over this.
I agree with every word of PP76. The authorities have certainly went about this without thinking about the full implications.
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Hi Graham
I agree with your post 100%, but the point you made was not down to too many legitimate tourist per say, but an illegal abuse of the facilities that already exist, which is a totally different matter. If you enforce the rules, you can't have more bodies than accommodation allows. There in a nutshell is the rub
Lets not forget, the authorities have turned a blind eye to this for years and in some cases still do.
It's a similar scenario to Magaluf. When I first went there in 1973, the loudest thing about the place was the noise your feet made walking along a dirt road to get to the local hostelry.
In subsequent years its the authorities that kept granting the licenses to allow the place to get to what it is today. They asked for it, got it and now they don't like it.
Before my wife passed, we had been to Mallorca every year since 1973, sometimes twice a year and in latter years 3 times. Although the 25 years up to 2016 were spent In PP.
I only have to think back to around 2005 ish when the slump in tourism was wiping out business's at a rate of knots. In time terms that is the blink of an eye.
So, to sum up, yes stop all the abuse of accommodation, Don't keep building and then moan about the amount of people, but most important of all, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
I agree with your post 100%, but the point you made was not down to too many legitimate tourist per say, but an illegal abuse of the facilities that already exist, which is a totally different matter. If you enforce the rules, you can't have more bodies than accommodation allows. There in a nutshell is the rub
Lets not forget, the authorities have turned a blind eye to this for years and in some cases still do.
It's a similar scenario to Magaluf. When I first went there in 1973, the loudest thing about the place was the noise your feet made walking along a dirt road to get to the local hostelry.
In subsequent years its the authorities that kept granting the licenses to allow the place to get to what it is today. They asked for it, got it and now they don't like it.
Before my wife passed, we had been to Mallorca every year since 1973, sometimes twice a year and in latter years 3 times. Although the 25 years up to 2016 were spent In PP.
I only have to think back to around 2005 ish when the slump in tourism was wiping out business's at a rate of knots. In time terms that is the blink of an eye.
So, to sum up, yes stop all the abuse of accommodation, Don't keep building and then moan about the amount of people, but most important of all, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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El Gordo
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Lawyer Raymond Nesbit's view on the new Rental Laws
in Spanish Property Insight
in Spanish Property Insight
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mike_dublin
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Whoa...
Very interesting article.
The bit about the landlord having to be resident was new to me.
There'll be plenty of apartments for the locals in the future.
The absence of seasonal workers (can't see that many being needed) will free up apartments too.
Many might not be able to afford them though.
The likely impact, especially on PP and it's economy, makes one more than shudder.
Maybe those bright local politicians can fund some employment programs with the next annual increase in the tourist tax.
They sure won't have to worry about the tourist 'massification'.
Tommo
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Is it too simplistic to say " Biting the hand that feeds you"?.
We absolutely love PP and all it has to offer. Started coming to PP in 1991/92. We even had a two month stay in 1998. We've holidayed in other places over the years but the port has our heart and we keep returning. We are currently mulling over our idea of coming to live in PP for a year or so. But we are not sure what to do. I don't like to think what a disastrous effect this law will have on the area. Feel so sorry for all concerned.
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pollensafan
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Call me an old conspiracy theorist, but it was not that long ago that the big guns in the hotel industry were moaning to the powers that be about private rentals. Cough, cough.
The scenario follows , less accommodation means a shortage. Now, if the hotel and complex owners think that folk will then flock to them my betting is they will be in for a big shock.
I for one will definitely pass and you can see many folk replying " Well you can shove it where the sun doesn't shine
At the risk of being known as the Pollensa parrot, I say again to the folk in Mallorca " Be careful what you wish for "
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Tommo,
I don't expect you to listen to an old goat like me, but on the subject of going to live there for a year then come hell or high water what ever it takes, do it.
My late wife was 9 months from retiring when she passed away.
We were going to do exactly what you planned, but never got the chance.
If you have the opportunity grab it with both hands. Nothing worse than regrets for something you could have done. GO FOR IT.
Tommo
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Tommo,
I don't expect you to listen to an old goat like me, but on the subject of going to live there for a year then come hell or high water what ever it takes, do it.
My late wife was 9 months from retiring when she passed away.
We were going to do exactly what you planned, but never got the chance.
If you have the opportunity grab it with both hands. Nothing worse than regrets for something you could have done. GO FOR IT.
Pollensafan. I usually find old goats to be wise old goats and I thank you for your advice. Ed
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pollensafan
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Thanks for the compliment.
Unfortunately, this old goat has usually been wise after the event.
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Is the article in the Spanish Property Mag correct in that you have to be a Spanish registered resident in order to operate legally as a landlord of a privately owned apartment in the Balearics ?.
This must affect thousands of non residents and be devastating if you have purchased on the basis of renting out for certain periods to cover mortgage costs etc.
Even the 60 day rule seems quite restrictive.
If it's true, wow a dramatic shake up but only if administered.
This must affect thousands of non residents and be devastating if you have purchased on the basis of renting out for certain periods to cover mortgage costs etc.
Even the 60 day rule seems quite restrictive.
If it's true, wow a dramatic shake up but only if administered.
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Vandalism & Graffiti
A mob has committed widespread vandalism overnight across the beach, children's playground, shopfronts and the Marina. The Associacio De Veins (which, among other things, manages the beach) has brought in the police who are investigating.
More can be seen from their Facebook posting here:-
https://www.facebook.com/associaciodeveins.portdepollenca/posts/1433041423399749
A mob has committed widespread vandalism overnight across the beach, children's playground, shopfronts and the Marina. The Associacio De Veins (which, among other things, manages the beach) has brought in the police who are investigating.
More can be seen from their Facebook posting here:-
https://www.facebook.com/associaciodeveins.portdepollenca/posts/1433041423399749
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