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bobley
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They're all just staying in their friends apartments for free and buying them nice birthday presents on Amazon...
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mike_dublin
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https://majorcadailybulletin.com/comment/opinion/2018/06/13/52205/tourist-numbers.html
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Mark
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Official figures never tell the true story do they 
Although the airport figures may look OK most will be staying in hotels and lots of all inclusive holidays and only the huge corporations that own the hotels will benefit and the staff that work in the hotels will be paid a minimum wage so the fat cats can make even more money.
A true representation of the situation would be to survey independent family owned businesses/small shops/ bars/restaurants to see if they are having an increase in profits or reduction of income.
It's not how many people that arrive through the airport that matters it is how much they spend and where they spend the money that keeps everything alive.
Looking forward to spending some money in our favourite local restaurants next week if the flight is not cancelled due to strikes....
Although the airport figures may look OK most will be staying in hotels and lots of all inclusive holidays and only the huge corporations that own the hotels will benefit and the staff that work in the hotels will be paid a minimum wage so the fat cats can make even more money.
A true representation of the situation would be to survey independent family owned businesses/small shops/ bars/restaurants to see if they are having an increase in profits or reduction of income.
It's not how many people that arrive through the airport that matters it is how much they spend and where they spend the money that keeps everything alive.
Looking forward to spending some money in our favourite local restaurants next week if the flight is not cancelled due to strikes....
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pollensafan
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Just playing devils advocate for a moment.
I could have sworn the outcry was " Too many tourist in Mallorca"
Well, If you take the latest figures as Gospel, then their strategy to deal with it has been a failure.
What they need to do is crack down on private renting.
Oh, silly me. They did
I could have sworn the outcry was " Too many tourist in Mallorca"
Well, If you take the latest figures as Gospel, then their strategy to deal with it has been a failure.
What they need to do is crack down on private renting.
Oh, silly me. They did
Pocket_Buddy
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Official figures never tell the true story do they
Although the airport figures may look OK most will be staying in hotels and lots of all inclusive holidays and only the huge corporations that own the hotels will benefit and the staff that work in the hotels will be paid a minimum wage so the fat cats can make even more money.
A true representation of the situation would be to survey independent family owned businesses/small shops/ bars/restaurants to see if they are having an increase in profits or reduction of income.
It's not how many people that arrive through the airport that matters it is how much they spend and where they spend the money that keeps everything alive.
Looking forward to spending some money in our favourite local restaurants next week if the flight is not cancelled due to strikes....
Totally agree with this. If you take my holiday this year as an example. I normally go for 2 weeks but this yera we are only going for 1 week. The airport statistics for me going for 2 weeks or 1 week will be exactly the same. In truth, thats roughly half the spending that I normally put into businesses in Mallorca.
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bobley
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Thats a VERY good point.
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pollensafan
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Official figures never tell the true story do they
Although the airport figures may look OK most will be staying in hotels and lots of all inclusive holidays and only the huge corporations that own the hotels will benefit and the staff that work in the hotels will be paid a minimum wage so the fat cats can make even more money.
A true representation of the situation would be to survey independent family owned businesses/small shops/ bars/restaurants to see if they are having an increase in profits or reduction of income.
It's not how many people that arrive through the airport that matters it is how much they spend and where they spend the money that keeps everything alive.
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Just proves the old saying " There are Lies, damned lies and statistics"
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Just playing devils advocate for a moment.
I could have sworn the outcry was " Too many tourist in Mallorca"
Well, If you take the latest figures as Gospel, then their strategy to deal with it has been a failure.
What they need to do is crack down on private renting.
Oh, silly me. They did
You've hit the nail on the head, crack down on private renting.
The government with the up to €40000 fines on non licenced property, has pushed everybody that rents in to register for a licence to rent, when this is completed the tax office will be looking for all licenced properties to produce yearly tax returns on rental income where in the past a large % of rental was never declared.
this is a slippery slope for the tax dodgers in the rental sector.
Chelseadons
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Like most things in life Rebel this situation is far more complex. Across most of Mallorca the hotel lobby have driven the debate and they have been building more and larger hotels which clearly doesn't support reducing tourist numbers. Pollensa issues are different to almost everywhere else , for years they have deterred hotel expansion , it is what makes Pollensa special. Apartments are therefore crucial to maintain tourist numbers to support the local economy. Cracking down on private renting is counter productive, what is required is a sensible licensing regime that enables apartment owners who rent to make a return on their investment legally. This in turn will enable them to pay appropriate taxes legally. This has never been the case. If it's not resolved then Pollensa is in danger of going into a serious decline. The local economy will not be able to survive too many years of a 30 per cent reduction in visitors.
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hoopy
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Bejesus, this man has nailed it.
Gommar Goffer
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The problem is that there will not be "sensible licensing". It will be too expensive to attain and too restrictive to acheive if the figures and requirements banded about are correct
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pollensafan
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Oh dear, re my post, I was being sarcastic.
They just have.
That's what has caused the problem with accommodation.
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rebel
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It's not expensive well not to begin with as when everything is registered they will have full control and as you said before the hotel mob will make sure it won't be cheap for the private rental sector.
our block has registered and cleared for rental in the port, now it's up to each apartment to register in there name, each bed will cost €35 ie. 3 double bed rooms €35 x €6 = €210 per year.
Again a start of things to come.
Gommar Goffer
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Rebel - I would be interested to know how you apply and where the information on costs is as I may be interested in the future. The biggest problem I perceive is the cost of complying with the regulations e.g. seperate water meters for individual apartments.
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Hi GG
Last month a emergency AGM was held by our block to get the required clearance from the owners to apply for the licence which was carried then the administrator done the required paperwork not sure of costs from the administrator if any for his work.
In our block we have a Spanish family who own rental property around the port who was probably the driving force behind it. In the know.
If you pm me I will give you our administrators name and number.
Rebel
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lollipop
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Figures released yesterday are somewhat different to those quoted by Rebel. It will be €875 per bed for a five year licence on top of the costs of getting the appropriate paperwork needed for an apartment and €3500 per bed in a villa.
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bobley
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I looked into this a bit more and a single family house is classed the same as a villa so our 3 bed mouse hole in old town will cost €21000 to licence correctly. So when i spilt the cost of that over the ~4 weeks a year that I'd lett my house out for that makes €1000 per week. Then add IVA to that makes €1210 and to top it off there would be tourist tax of €84 as well.... plus another €50 To get it cleaned and i won't see a penny... something isn't right. But it's all irrelevant because you can't get a licence in the old town anyway...
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Rockape
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Really? That seems utterly ridiculous....who is going to be able to pay that, apart from the multi million pound properties?
debz1
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Really? That seems utterly ridiculous....who is going to be able to pay that, apart from the multi million pound properties?
Really? That seems utterly ridiculous....who is going to be able to pay that, apart from the multi million pound properties?
No one is going to be able to afford it!!!! This is exactly what the government hope to achieve as they are only supporting the hotel lobby and other resorts in Mallorca which have a totally different hotel/apartment mix to PP.
As I understand it the local businesses continue to make known their concerns to the Mayor but he says his representations to the Mallorcan Council are falling on deaf ears. The law will not be changed for one municipality. I wonder if anyone has realised that if the local economy goes into a downward spiral it can only lead to the growth in more hotels. Overtime every development along the pine walk could see new hotels rather than apartments and the beautiful original houses!
